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Why "Sales Pain" is Dead!

Posted by Frank Belzer on Wed, Aug 24, 2011 @ 05:58 AM
  
  
  

no pain6Perhaps you have heard about the latest scandal involving for profit colleges and universities? It is all over the news and the web – you can read a little about it here  and here if you are not up to speed on the story. I however am not going to focus on the details of the entire scandal: I am going to talk about the way sales tactics have played a role and making the case that these outdated methods have finally passed their expiration date. Paul Richlovsky did a great job blogging about this already here and he is not even a sales guy. Just worthy to note that I am not the only one to make this connection.

When I watched a report on television they actually used undercover cameras to see how the college recruiters went about getting people to sign up – the quest was to see if they were honest with the students, I watched in horror. The recruiters had clearly been through some sales training and they had mastered some tactics – the bad news was that looking in from the outside they didn’t look like tactics.

As an educated expert in sales development I recognized these techniques as verbal contracts, meta-phrasing, reversing and an all-out attempt to squeeze someone into the pain funnel. The reporter, the rest of America and the Legal System have a different word for these techniques; they kept using the words fraud, deceit, lack of honesty, intimidating and even bullying was used! Do you or your sales people want to sell like that? Do you want your client to feel like those students? Is that relationship building or establishing advisor status? Is the goal to irritate the client into buying?

Watching the interchange between potential student and sales person (recruiter) I have to say that as a sales development professional I was embarrassed by the behavior. It was nasty and whoever provided the training has nothing to be proud of.

Does this mean the submarine is sunk? Well all I know is that if I was a decision maker and I was watching these reports that associated these tactics with all manner of "no good" and then a sales person showed up at my office and tried using them - well I think you know what would happen.

They also interviewed a former recruiter and role played with a potential candidate – he showed how he avoided questions and kept going back to “the pain” he explained that his goal was to “exploit” the pain and if there was no pain to create pain.

I understand the idea and the concept of pain and I agree that it has its place. But there are rules and the problem with teaching only a tactical and technique based approach is that the rules are often not addressed. People cannot execute the balance and obviously have difficulty taking the moral high ground as they attempt to execute these methods. Meta-phrasing comes across as putting words in their mouth, reversing comes across as not listening properly, pain comes across as exploitation and the entire process ends up looking dishonest.

Selling should be natural, involve mutual respect and most importantly put the prospects needs ahead of your own. I don’t see how selling pain accomplishes anything more than alienating the client - and for many of these Schools the potential of a lawsuit or becoming part of a federal investigation.

 

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COMMENTS

I have never liked the methods you describe. As a buyer I have kicked sales people out of my office for acting lie *#*!heads - that is my right.

posted @ Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:13 AM by Bill


@Dave - Thanks! 
 
 
 
@Bill - I think you have just inspired another post, thanks.

posted @ Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:16 AM by Frank Belzer


The hard facts of the matter is that people are motivated by emotions. You can use positive emotions to good effect in sales and marketing, however most people are motivated by negative emotions when needing to solve a problem. If you are selling something that is pleasure based or is a luxury item, then positive emotions would likely sell better.

posted @ Thursday, August 25, 2011 8:45 PM by Michael Ellis


Necessity is the mother of invention.  
The world turns and the ideas and needs and products and services are changing too.  
Every aspect of our lives have had to reinvent it self somewhere along the line.  
Being the part of the change is never ending.  
Being totally subject to it is relentless.  
Sales has got to change in order for it to live and have a purpose in the future. 

posted @ Friday, August 26, 2011 8:29 AM by Guy Battaglia


Frank is asking the wrong question in his article. The article should have been titled "Is acting like a dick head, because you think you've learned Sandler after a two day bootcamp and you're too goddam lazy to put in the 10,000 hours it takes to master selling - ok?"  
 
But I suspect that title would have been too long and not nearly controversial enough.  
 
Pain as a motivator is dead when the human race dies out.  
 
.......now you can spit that grenade pin out :-))

posted @ Tuesday, September 13, 2011 3:38 AM by Paul Lanigan


When I saw your article entitled “IS Pain Dead?”, I first have to ask myself what does Rick really understand what Sandler meant by pain. Pain in Sandler world, is the Prospects or Customer reason to do business. Truly understanding is it in THEIR best interest (meaning the prospect) and if not, than we should gracefully bow out and move on to another potential customer.  
 
So here’s my question Rick, do you not understand Sandler TRUE meaning of pain (which was describe above), or are you saying in your words, “Pain is Dead”, meaning that you should not focus on the prospect’s reasons for doing business, you should have salespeople focus on their reasons. 
 
Sandler was designed to be and is a prospect- centered mythology, meaning a system that teaches sales people how to be trusted advisors not vendors or solution providers. And to do that the salesperson must on a few key components, 1) building rapport or trust 2) create any environment that a prospects is comfortable sharing their reasons (real pain), who the sales person trying to close them without truly understanding their issues (real pain).  
 
So Rick here’s what my 15 plus years in the business both as a client and now as a Coach teaching people client development by becoming Trusted Advisor. We don’t’ teach people how to sell, because people don’t want to be sold. What we do teach is how to build trust between one human being to another, and then to create an environment of open honest dialogue and discus their Pain to see if it makes sense to build a relationship and do business together. It’s not about moves or manipulating people to do things they don’t’ wan to do? 
 
So Rick, here’s my last question with all due respect, if your saying Pain is dead, than what are you teaching you clients to do on a sales call? What is the driving force behind the call? 
 

posted @ Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:15 AM by Karl Graf


Karl, you're asking the wrong person. Rick didn't ask the questions, Frank did. All I did was pass it along.

posted @ Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:35 AM by Rick Roberge


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